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В последний раз.

Я сейчас читаю книгу. На польском. Я вовсе не владею этим языком. Мне просто интересно, что в ней написано. Я понимаю 95% текста и я дочитаю эту книгу до конца. Это очень сложная книга - воспоминания поляка, который родился в Украине на Волыни и жил там до второй мировой войны. Мне очень важно знать, что он хотел мне сказать.

Поскольку я меряю всех читателей по себе, то считаю, что любой образованный человек может освоить как минимум два языка. Это его обогатит. Если человек освоил два языка, он будет с уважением относиться к любому третьему и четвертому. По умолчанию, я исхожу из того, что все читатели этого блога такие.

Если грамотный человек, вместо того, чтобы попробовать прочитать и понять текст, начинает требовать языкового удобства для него лично, значит я не написала того, что может его потенциально заинтересовать.

Поэтому меня стоит расфрендить и не тратить времени на этот блог.

Предыдущее последнее слово на эту тему было здесь.

Date: 2015-11-03 04:38 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] henryflowerjr.livejournal.com
what does 'understanding lesser languages' mean?
I've never heard such a thing.

you probably wanted to say "I don't see a point in reaching basic-level reading proficiency" but you might not have been able to say that because your ignorance kicked in & you started farting in Ruglish.

Date: 2015-11-03 05:10 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] evgenijm86.livejournal.com
No, I meant it exactly as written. And judging by your but-hurt insults you understood it perfectly.

Date: 2015-11-03 05:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] henryflowerjr.livejournal.com
*sigh*
irony is a tricky thing sometimes

you still don't get it, do you?

Date: 2015-11-03 06:00 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] evgenijm86.livejournal.com
In you case it is extremely simple. You found something that not 100% canonical English and tried to be smart-ass, because you didn't like what I meant (which you understood perfectly).

Date: 2015-11-03 06:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] henryflowerjr.livejournal.com
In _your_ case

something that _is_ not 100%

_a_ smartass

(why Russians always leave out determiners in obligatory contexts?)

which you _had_ understood perfectly

dude, do yourself a favor: buy an English textbook before trying to impress others w/ horseshit like 'Я вот знаю английский'

Date: 2015-11-04 04:15 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] evgenijm86.livejournal.com
Because for the most part they feel like a useless and outdated concept. It doesn't feel that I am adding new information to the sentence when I am using them - that why I have an urge to skip them.

I didn't try to impress anyone. I stated the fact that I do know the language. If you think otherwise then you are contradicting yourself by having this conversation.
Edited Date: 2015-11-04 04:28 am (UTC)

Date: 2015-11-04 06:25 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] henryflowerjr.livejournal.com
HAHAHA, this is priceless. tell us more about the 'useless and outdated' parts of English. spread the word!

Date: 2015-11-04 07:08 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] evgenijm86.livejournal.com
Learn to read. I never said that it was my claim - I said how it felt like.

Date: 2015-11-04 08:36 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] henryflowerjr.livejournal.com
your tendency to become smarter w/ every comment is showing!

the only creatures that 'feel like' determiners are superfluous are children < 6 y.o. it's because the little children don't have cognitive-linguistic capacities fully developed yet.

it's science, dude.

but never your mind.

I guess by being a Russian you don't have enough brain cells to comprehend such a level of abstraction.

Date: 2015-11-04 09:00 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] evgenijm86.livejournal.com
Are you stupid or something? Most of language processing in both children and adults are done on automatic level. And when something is done without really describing it step by step logically in your mind, then it is usually correct to say "feels like" to describe how result was obtained.

Date: 2015-11-04 11:43 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] henryflowerjr.livejournal.com
dude, _my_ stupidity has no bearing on the subject.

I don't want to read your annoying fantasies about how other people think.

you missed at least 2 determiners again. your Ruglish is impossible to parse w/o cursing.

I'll just quote your retarded gobbledygook:

"It doesn't feel that I am adding new information to the sentence when I am using them - that why I have an urge to skip them."

ahem. I rest my case.

Date: 2015-11-04 01:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] evgenijm86.livejournal.com
It has everything to do with it, since this subject is about your psychological problems when reading someone else's text.

Date: 2015-11-03 06:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] meamia.livejournal.com
But-hurt? You said you speak English, pal? Serious?

Date: 2015-11-03 06:57 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ariwch.livejournal.com
Может, это переименованный ужас_совка?

Date: 2015-11-04 04:17 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] evgenijm86.livejournal.com
And? You have problems understanding what I am saying?

Date: 2015-11-04 02:07 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] meamia.livejournal.com
I see you are having STM problems yourself: you came here claiming that you do not understand "lesser languages" and aren't going to invest your precious time learning them. Like someone begged you to stay or even to come. But you spent so much time here already spreading your shit and proving you can't even express yourself in the only language you claim to know except the mother one, that you might probably put it all to better use.

Date: 2015-11-04 02:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] evgenijm86.livejournal.com
You are contradicting yourself. If I can't express myself in English then we would not be able to have a conversation. Especially a long one that you claimed I had.

Date: 2015-11-04 05:52 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] meamia.livejournal.com
You are constantly switching to others: others' problems, others' contradictions etc. While at first your appearance was all lights on, look at me I'm not afraid of making and defending my stand, 99% in Russian. So continue to be bold and pull your shit together, others will take care of themselves.

Date: 2015-11-04 06:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] evgenijm86.livejournal.com
That's because YOU and 1 more person have a problem with what I said, not the other way around. They disliked what I said so much that they HAVE to prove to themselves that I was inferior in some way, that my claim about knowledge was false. Which they obviously failed - one cannot have a long conversation in foreign language on random topic without having a good knowledge of the language itself. It should be obvious to any unbiased person.

Date: 2015-11-04 07:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] meamia.livejournal.com
Oh, dear, but you're amusing. "Problems? Crack addicts got problems, my friend. You two are smoked." You're just not getting it: you come here, lights on you, make a stand "I don't want to waste my time for learning". And going on and on with wasting it for the people that clearly aren't giving a dart. Explaining them they have a problem with you (excuse me for a lack of capitalizing, it seems cheap). People are having good time mocking you - people that speak at least 3 languages BTW - and somehow they managed to learn them all and a helluva good stuff on top of that. What's your stand worth then? I told you at the very beginning of this that your time is not that precious - in Hebrew, so you probably did not understand, too bad, but now it's proved itself. Is it my problem that some Russians think of other languages as "lesser ones"? Nope, it's their problem that they do not realize how stupid they look.

Date: 2015-11-05 02:46 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] evgenijm86.livejournal.com
Lesser languages is a simple fact. And some in fact are so lesser that they will die out within next month/year. And since almost nobody speaks those they get almost no development - they literally become inferior (not just lesser) compared to popular languages as time go on.

>> People are having good time mocking you.

That's what I am talking about - those are psychological problems. When you can't prove your stand you have to use argumentum ad hominem and try to mock opponent instead of argument.

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